What makes a good citizen?
They leave school at 16 years old
They start work and pay their taxes
They never use the nhs due to costing other tax payers money
They work until they can't no longer manage
The they pay the tax pay the pension, and then ask for Euthenasia thus never becoming a burden for the rest of us.

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My understanding about redundency is that that job is no longer there so why are they recruiting men to replace the men being made redundant and instead of a fully trained soldier sailor or airman they are left with a load of recruits which have to go through basic training before they are any good to anybody but now they are using the TA in active zones which when I was in 48 years ago the TA used to come over to Gemany and half of them you were safer standing in front of them when they had a weapon as they were only there to make up their time for their bounty. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TA AS I HAVE SEEN REPORTED NOW AS THEY ARE OUT THERE DOING THE SAME AS THE FULL TIMERS WHICH TAKES SOME DOING. But that is getting away from the main thing they are worth every penny that they get paid whether it is wages or pensions not like those of the goverment only in it for what they can get out of it or steal from it. As I have said before all they do is move the goalposts to suit themselves

These young people have been through the mill ,we should all stand together too much may just enough to pay for their trauma ,god bless them all,get rid of sponging aliens ,these are our kids lets love them ,and all chip in england is ours and so are they.

I left the Armed Force last week as I couldn't see a future in it and it's the best descision I have ever made. I am lucky I qualified for my pension and would have been gutted that my pension could have been taken away by some faceless civil servent. I am sick of hearing people claiming we don't pay into our pensions. It was part of a package that meant you signed away many of your rights and for very average pay. We never moaned as it was what was expected. You served your country and your country paid you back in your later years. Hundreds of lads and lasses haven't that opportunity as they died before they could claim that pension. I feel gutted for the lads and lasses that where made compulsory redundant prior to their IP point. Also this report is factually incorrect as it depends what pensionable engagement a person is on to whether you receive a second lump sum (AFPS05), which is actually a worst pension than the single lump sum one (AFPS75).

C'mon the freeloaders come before the servicemen and women who have fought for or country, we'll feed them, house them, clothe them, bring their family here, feed them, house them, clothe them, bow down to their every whim! But no money for our people, I for one don't get it!!

but it's ok to give the bloody immigrants a pension

I think it's despicable the way our so called government in treating our servicemen. This is purely a money saving exercise to get rid of people as cheaply as possefficiencyible. I understand that whilst they are making thousands of servicement redundant they are continuing with recruitment which I thought was illegal. Perhaps somebody can enlighten me with regard to how this recruitment is being done when they are throwing experienced people on the scrap-heap. I myself have been displaced due to so called government efficiency programmes - stinks!

get on to the royal british legion about this they fought to get the covenant in place . i am not surprised they have done thiss they hav ebben sneaky for years. good luck to every one who is fight ing this as you say the governments pensions and wages are safe they should pay the pensions .