State pension shake-up plans 'fair'
Filed under: Pensions
Plans for a radical shake-up of state pensions are "fair", Prime Minister David Cameron has insisted.Filed under: Pensions
Plans for a radical shake-up of state pensions are "fair", Prime Minister David Cameron has insisted.
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The reality is that when the pension age of 65 was set a century ago relatively few people lived long past it and a huge percentage never reached it so their contributions paid to the relatively few who lived much longer .
Now the average man lives into his late 70's and the average woman to here early 80's so the choice is simple - pay MORE in contributions , take a smaller pension out or work a lot longer - or a mix of the 3 .
What you can't expect to do is retire at 65 and collect a full pension for 15-25 years - the numbers simply don't add up - that is not party politics - it is simply real world economics - in Denmark retirement age is now 74 and they expect it to rise to over 80 by the end of this century unless the rate at which we live longer starts to fall
This all sounds cosy, however it is the speed of onset that is so appalling. You can be within 5 years of retiring and someone comes along and changes all the rules. They then tell you, even though you have worked all of your life and saved for your retirement, that you are a scrounger because you now need benefits due to no longer being employable because of your age (ageism does exist and is rife), your private pension is now worth 3 farthings because the banks played roulette with it and the kindly government has moved your retirement date backwards and also grabbed all of you SERPS contributions for their own when you do retire. I wish I was an eastern european just entering the country with no money and having paid none into the system. I would be loaded!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 18 2013 at 10:34 AM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyHe should change his name by deed poll to Margaret Thatcher.
January 14 2013 at 10:12 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyDon`t bring that name up!, "THE MILK SNATCHER", He will be remembered as "SHAMBOLIC" or words to that affect!. I think it would be more fitting the CON/DIM be called "..........The Fruit Cakes supported by Nuts!" lol.
January 15 2013 at 7:47 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyDavid Cameron was seated next to a little girl on an aeroplane so he turned to her and said, "Do you want to talk? Flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger."
The little girl, who had just started to read her book, replied to the total stranger, "What would you want to talk about?"
"Oh, I don't know," said Cameron. "How about Pensions, European Membership or the immigration situation?" he said, smiling smugly.
"Okay," she said. "Those could be interesting topics but let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff - grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, but a horse produces clumps. Why do you suppose that is?"
Cameron, visibly surprised by the little girl's intelligence, thinks about it and says, with typical politician wisdom "Hmmm, I have no idea."
To which the little girl replies, "Do you really feel qualified to discuss Pensions, the EU, or immigration, when you don't know sh*t ?"
You may be breach of copyright Mr Bearcat, you are not the only one with a TV set!
January 14 2013 at 11:04 AM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyCan you defer your pension to get the new rate
January 14 2013 at 9:24 AM Report abuse Permalink -1 rate up rate down Reply"No" was the response when I posed the same question to DWP in Newcastle. My wife qualified for state pension in 2008. She was short of a number of years' contributions because she'd followed my work to places she was not allowed/unable to work (Northern Ireland, Hong Kong, Germany, Canada) so therefore has a short fall in contributions with consequent abatement of pension. Had she been a few months older, she'd have fallen under new (current) rules and would therefore have had enough contributions for full pension. Likewise, had I retired 2 years later, her share of my pension on my death would have risen by 30%.
Ah, well, you win some, you lose some.
Whatever, don't accept the Govt line that, last year, pensioners received the biggest rise in history. What they got was the Govt 'contractual' rise to keep pace with the inflation index in use - it was not a rise in disposable income at all. Again, all the wittering about winter fuel allowance, bus passes and TV licences - it seems to me these were offered out at the time in lieu of appropriate rises in state pension. We're all being conned. Wealthy pensioners are unlikely to use buses, for crying out loud. But rthose pensioners who can't/don't drive, but who make use of the bus pass get out and about, spend their pension money and bits from their residue, probably improve their general health and well-being at the same time and thus will spend less time as a drain on health and social services whilst re-cycling their cash.
Finally, for those entering the debate about the 'baby boomers' having had it all - when we were buying our first house interst rates were ranged from 8.5% to almost 20%. Basic rate ncome tax was levied at 34%, inflation was double digit for a long time, unemployment was, proportionally, higfher than it is today, and house re-possessions were very much more frequent. Oh, and that free university? Only about 5% of the population went to university in the 60s.
Life is tough. Adjust your spending and aspirations to your needs. Consider cutting up your plastic, or leaving it at home when you go to work or shopping or socializing. You'll be surprised at how quickly your own fiscal deficit will fall.
Prime Minister David Cameron is just an evil puPpet who couldn't care a dot about us people, as long as he has his pleasures AND MONEY. He belongs to COMMON PURPOSE!
January 14 2013 at 9:18 AM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyWell done Cameron, a very fair arrangement for people retiring after it starts. BUT those already drawing the state pension or who'll begin drawing it before the start date (some 11 million pensioners) it is not at all fair. But the situation won't change, there's no way the country can afford the £billions needed to apply it to every pensioner, Labour spent it all ages ago.
January 14 2013 at 9:15 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down Replythe money and the banks are a huge scam, find out while you can on the alternative media and internet. We could all live for years on the war budget
January 14 2013 at 9:20 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down ReplyMy wife had a contract with government when she was 15 and starting work that said she would get her pension on her 60 birthday-now thanks to this robbing parasite Cameron fast tracking the pension system shes not going to get it-he can go to hell as far as i'm concerned.
January 14 2013 at 8:56 AM Report abuse Permalink +1 rate up rate down ReplyOh well.....lets just keep doing things the way are now then and keep losing money on this system so that your wife is not affected!!!
January 14 2013 at 9:08 AM Report abuse Permalink -2 rate up rate down Replyignorant, find out about the money scam, you and us are the ones that suffer, so stop before you say these things, find out!
January 14 2013 at 9:23 AM Report abuse Permalink -2 rate up rate downFair for who what about people who have paid in more than the qualifing years where do the additional payments go that you have paid in bet you dont get them back what a joke anything but fair.
January 14 2013 at 8:33 AM Report abuse Permalink rate up rate down Reply
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